• Size: 6m 45s (loop)
• Technique: video
• Year: 2011

'This and That' consists of two videos playing simultaneously. In the first video a piece of clay is shaped on a turntable. The second video browses through a publication that depicts the instant sculptures that are created in the first video. The videos play in synchronicity – the sculpture is presented at the same time as its reproduction in the publication.

‘This and That’ was shown at several locations and bought by Les Abattoirs, museum of modern and contemporary art Toulouse in 2015, where it is part of the permanent collection.